Segways To Be Banned from Los Gatos Creek Trail

Town Council wants only bicycles and pedestrians on trail

Update: Councilmember Glickman's dissenting opinion added; other miscellaneous corrections.

The Los Gatos Town Council directed staff to draft an ordinance banning Segways on the Los Gatos Creek Trail at its bi-monthly meeting Monday night. Last October, the City of Campbell enacted a similar ban on the portion of the trail that runs through that city.

The Council received a number of letters from concerned citizens on both sides of the issue.

"We urge you to deny South Bay Segway the use of the Los Gatos section of the Creek Trail for its proposed tours," wrote Leonard Pacheco and Diane Roberts.

"If you do vote for it better make sure the town has no liability or good insurance," wrote Dennis McCarney, "because sooner or later there will be an accident."

Author Amy Tan wrote a detailed, three-page defense of the Segway. She owns one and uses it to run errands in Sausalito. She cited a personal experience of watching a disabled woman "dance" using a Segway, as well as several government reports.

Hans and Diane Ernst emphasized that Segways are motorized and that South Bay Tours is a commercial use of the public trail in urging the council to ban both motorized vehicles and commercial uses.

Alexander Ko, of the Bay Area Segway Enthusiasts Group, countered that Segways are "clean, quiet, maneuverable, and small."

Steve Wozniak wrote that he uses his Segway for errands, to explore other places, and to play polo. "My main point," he wrote, "is that many of us Segway gliders make very efficient use of resources in our community. A Segway is a lot less in the way than cars are."

In the end, the Segway supporters were less persuasive than the ardent trail users who wrote to reject the machines. There was no motion, because the ordinance has yet to be drafted.

Councilmember Glickman laid out a well-researched argument in favor of Segways on the Creek Trail, pointing out that bicycles and inline skates travel much faster than Segways, and that the trail can be used by commuters now that the Light Rail connects through Campbell. "I thought we were trying to encourage alternative means of transportation to get people out of their cars and off our congested roads," he said.

Town Attorney Orry Korb advised the council that Segways are defined, under California law, as pedestrians.

Although some councilmembers brought up counter-arguments--Diane McNutt, for example, wanted to make sure that the ordinance included a provision for Electric Personal Assistive Mobility Devices in the spirit of the Americans with Disabilities Act--the council, except Steve Glickman, wanted an anti-Segway ordinance drafted for their later approval.

"I would not like to see us take a reflexive anti-newfangled thing attitude," Councilmember Glickman said in rebuttal, "because I'd like this community to be perceived as being progressive in these matters."

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subwayseries 12/05/06 2:55 am
$100 million was spent specifically to develop a transportation device that was safe amongst pedestrians, as well as being clean and quiet. That device is a Segway. The law in 44 States classifies this safe device as an EPAMD (Electronic Personal Assistance Mobility Device).

Many people don't know what an EPAMD is, and think it's just some type of scooter, which to them means there's a potentially dangerous vehicle on the trails. Except EPAMDs are not vehicles.

Ironically, bicycles will be allowed to continue riding on the trails by the proposed legislation, even though bicycles are dangerous to pedestrians as they are classified as vehicles in most states, not allowed to be ridden on pedestrian walkways.

Segway critics, unfamiliar with the device, offer reasons to ignore the EPAMD law (CVC Sec. 313) trying to ban them in certain tourist areas. Their fears are based on misconceptions and are simply not true.

In order for the Los Gatos Town Council to make a responsible decision regarding Segways use on the trails, they should have the appropriate information about the device, and about EPAMDs. As a Segway owner and daily commuter, allow me to offer a response to the top ten Segway misconceptions: http://segway.blogthing.com/

In order to have an informed opinion, you have to have the facts.

Carlos Pineiro
Santa Monica, CA

Peggy Dallas 12/05/06 9:21 am
Carlos,

What is the policy regarding using Segways on the bike trail at the beach from Santa Monica thru Venice and on south?

Peggy Dallas
Los Gatos, CA
(former So.Cal. resident and rider of the beach bike trail)

Alastair Dallas 12/05/06 11:20 am
The photo above was taken at the mobbed Joe Sharino concert last summer. Steve Wozniak was causing no trouble as he navigated the intensely crowded sidewalk near the bus stop at the civic center. I have also shared the sidewalk with Steve at the Pruneyard in Campbell. These Segways are not much larger than a person. A fat man, walking quickly and swinging his arms, would be a bigger hazard on a sidewalk, in my opinion.

/alastair/

stuartmoore 12/06/06 11:34 pm
I'm a Segway owner. The silly thing about all of this is that if the Council would allow Segways on the trail (not the commercial tour but private individuals) you would probably see no more than 3 to 5 Segways on the trail per year total. And those individuals wouldn't be using the trail on a regular basis.

People who are against the Segway have visions of the trails or sidewalks or wherever being overrun by Segways but that's simply not the case. Nor is it the case that it's a slippery slope. Allowing Segways on the trail doesn't need to lead to other motorized devices. The Council can allow Segways just as easily as they can ban them.

I've had my Segway for 3 years and over that time have known and ridden with 50 or 60 different people and to a person they are all safe and conscientious. Segways can be ridden safely at any speed from slower than walking to their top speed of 12.5 mph - that top speed is considerably slower than I've seen bicyclists traveling when I've walked on the trail with my young son. Segways are quiet, clean and safe and just another way for people to get from point A to point B.

I would really urge the Los Gatos Town Council to reconsider their decision and learn a little more about the Segway before they decide to ban something that would, in reality, be a non-issue.

Stuart Moore
San Jose, CA